Ok, here is another potentially divisive topic. What makes a man a man? Or, what does it mean to be "manly"? I have been thinking about this on and off since a little incident occurred last week between my father and my son.
Now, my father was raised during a time in which manliness was defined as "toughness". To be a man, you must never cry when you're hurt, you must always be in charge of your family, you must never whine or complain, you must eat lots of bloody red meat, etc. Now, I'm not saying he has never failed in these. All people fail to live up to their own expectations for themselves. But he certainly has taught us, his children, that we, too, should try to live by these tough, manly codes (despite the fact that he had three daughters. Go figure). When we do, we receive his approval. When we don't, we receive his ire.
Now, I am not criticizing him. I love my dad and am so grateful for the things he has taught me. His desire for me to be tough has influenced my personality in a lot of good ways. I am not one to be stepped on. I will get in your face if you've wronged someone I love. I will not sit idly by and let someone rule my life. Just ask my poor husband. Physically, my desire to be tough allowed me to have three babies with no drugs whatsoever.
Also, I should note that this man has a completely other side to him as well. I have, hanging beside by bed, a poem that he wrote for me when I was a little girl. I have a tape of songs he has written for me, not to mention another with songs he wrote for mom and for God. I have personally witnessed him crying like a baby over the Disney movie The Little Mermaid. And, he is an aerobics instructor by hobby. Right. nuff said.
However, it is the "tough" part of him that always seems to rear its ugly head whenever my boys show anything that could remotely be interpreted as weakness. Which brings us back to the incident in question. We were at Green Lakes and Dad and Josh went on a trail which took them around another lake before rejoining the trail Mom and Julia and I were on. Somewhere along this trail, Josh was tripped up by the dog's leash, and he went down, resulting in a nasty, bleeding scrape on his elbow. Now, I know my father loves my son dearly, and that he would gladly take a bullet for him any day of the week, but somehow he has a really hard time just comforting him when he's hurt. Or even remaining silent. No, upon enduring Joshua's entirely unmanly crying (this is an 8 year old boy, afterall), Dad felt the need to point out that real men don't fuss so much over such things and that he needed to be tougher. urgh.
To his credit, and entirely to my satisfaction, Joshua did not take this criticism lying down, but went on to argue with my father over his response. At one point, he even told dad that he was "filling me (Josh) with rage." Hee hee hee. I love his way with words. Dad did smile about this response later, perhaps realizing that "toughness" can be verbal, too. In fact, he said Josh would probably go on to write a Steven King-esque novel in which the evil bad dude is a grandpa. Steven King is a very manly author, after all.
I myself was disappointed and a little angry with Dad, but also confused. I mean, I sometimes feel the same way when I see one of the boys carrying on about something hurting when we're out in public. Sadly, my personal tendency is to encourage them to buck up and take deep breaths, essentially teaching them to hide their pain around others. At home, I am much more likely to just hold them and stroke their hair when the're hurt, telling them I love them and encouraging them that it's ok to cry. So, if I think it's ok for them to cry, why do I have little patience for it in public? Could it be that I, too, feel it is not "manly" and therefore something to be ashamed of and kept behind closed doors? I don't think I feel this way, but then I kind of act like I do sometimes.
So, what do you think? Does a man have to be "tough," never showing his pain, never crying, never whining, but stoically facing each new difficulty as a challenge to be overcome? Or, is a man someone who isn't afraid to show how he feels, so long as he doesn't dwell on it and allow it to keep him from living and doing what needs to be done? And when should a boy be expected to begin such manly behaviors? 8? 9? earlier? later? It is an interesting question. I will think on it some more...
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Ok, I know I should stay out of this one, but... I agree more with dad. I know, you hate me for it, but I really want my boys to be strong (actually, everywhere too. I do not let them whine and cry at home either) Some of the reasons for this are, I hate to see an adult man who can not be tough. I have met them and they really seem "off" to me. I mean, somebody who can not do what a man should know how to do..sporty stuff, take control in needed, things like that. Somebody who says "Ouch" really loudly if they stub their toe and then hobbles for a while. That just seems wrong to me. I don't even let Riley cry and carry on. She also is encouraged to toughen up a bit. Now, I do comfort them, especially if it is bad, like when Cole opened a huge gash in the back of his head last year. But to his credit, even with blood rolling down him, he did not wail loudly and cry like a loon. He wimpered in my lap and told his very upset mommy that things would be ok. So, there is my small toe in this one. I know you have a different opinion and I DO NOT WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT IT! So, luv ya!
Okay ..this is a very individual thing. There is manly and there is tough but there is also compassionate. I feel a real man is all three. Your father can be all three..and yet has a hard time letting others see his more compassionate side.He grew up hard in a city enviroment that would chew you up if you showed any weakness.He also worked in a very "manly" job that also demanded a certain behavior or else!!So for him he has a fear of seeing his loved ones hurt by others.He has always demanded we be TOUGH..That is why his girls are the fighting Redmonds.
But I disagree about the sports...Men do not have to be obsessed with sports to make them men. Dad loves musicals!! And singing and dancing and wearing lycra !!!
I also think a true man can be sensitive and sentimental...laugh like a dork..wear lights on their heads and cook a great meal!!!!......mom
ok, I did not say they had to be obsessed with sports. I guess I mean a bit athletic, like dad is, Jeremy is (outdoorsman!) and Brian is. I agree with the compassionate thing too.
Well...I was okay for the first 10 minutes or so of Josh's carrying on, Jess. It was a scraped elbow,for crying out loud! We both know how histrionic he can be. I've seen you correct this in him yourself, which is really a good thing to do, because if we don't, the real world will, very quickly. 8 years old is not too young to begin teaching a young man to be a real man, and making too much of a wrong or injury is simply not good behavior, for a man, woman, or child.
I love Josh. I want him to grow up to be as tough as his mom.
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By the way, I just put two men who had hit their wives and daughters in jail. BOY DID THAT FEEL GOOD. They were both shocked they'd even been convicted - it was a first-time offense for both of them. Anyways, just got back from Court and was feeling elated, so I thought I'd let you all know. Steph
Woohoo Steph! Score one for womankind!!!!! Rock on sista!
Oh, and Becky, first off I don't think sports are any more manly than books are womanly. And, hey, when are you going to jump on the band-wagon and add a list of what you had for dinner to your blog? Seriously, I think it would be soooo interesting to see what all the bloggers are having for dinner each night. I mean, some could be having Indian, or Jamaican, or something that sounds really good that you just have to look up a recipe for... It would be so cool! I think we should campaign for this across blogger-kind.
And Dad, if you would like me to really start attacking you, please continue attacking Josh. He is not histrionic, nor did he carry on for ten minutes. You exaggerate, and you are not giving him credit for the amazing lack of fear he shows in things like skiing and rollercoasters and what-not. Do not try to make him sound like a wimp, because he most certainly is not.
I always thought Josh enjoyed history??? And leave dad alone...he has strep:(
You big bellied meany
Mom
You know, I thought that was a strange word. I believe he meant hysterical, right?
According to the dictionary
histrionic is pertaining to actors or acting...dramatic representation, Joshua.
Wow it's right there in the book...really...mom
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